A video that illustrates the problem I've been concerned about in China:
So they built an entire city, with houses, infrastructure and everything where nobody lives. The construction of such a city contributes to GDP growth in the short term, but this is just pointless spending if nobody lives there. So either they'll have to somehow convince people to live there through some kind of subsidies or some such, or the place will just slowly fall apart.
This gets back to my beef with how the press have generally treated China's economic story. They've heralded the way the Chinese government has been pushing the country forward, but they ignore what the ultimate costs are of that progress. They ignore the corruption and the inefficiency of the Chinese system. They ignore billions spent on worthless infrastructure. These all give the impression of strong economic growth, but they are really evidence of waste.
Remember back when we were talking about the initial stimulus bill in the US about "shovel ready" projects. That was about finding projects that need money right now to develop useful infrastructure. The benefit in such projects is you spend the money in the short run on projects that address actual needs. So this has a the initial positive stimulus effect, but added long term benefit from the use of the improved infrastructure.
In China, they are basically just dumping money out the door on anything. They don't have all of these elaborate rules about environmental impact studies, and cost benefit analysis. Instead, they are building whole cities from the ground up just to spend the money. It's taking the real estate bubble that we had in the US and pumping it up with government spending. Does that seem like a recipe for disaster to anybody else?
The problem is that China has become so desperately dependent on this unsustainable growth that they'll be compelled to keep doubling down on what's an already failing policy. Build yet more empty buildings with yet more empty roads going to them. Push out more subsidies to consumers to get them to buy more TV's, etc. But eventually, they'll blow through their vast reserves and find themselves at the limit of what they can possibly do.
So they built an entire city, with houses, infrastructure and everything where nobody lives. The construction of such a city contributes to GDP growth in the short term, but this is just pointless spending if nobody lives there. So either they'll have to somehow convince people to live there through some kind of subsidies or some such, or the place will just slowly fall apart.
This gets back to my beef with how the press have generally treated China's economic story. They've heralded the way the Chinese government has been pushing the country forward, but they ignore what the ultimate costs are of that progress. They ignore the corruption and the inefficiency of the Chinese system. They ignore billions spent on worthless infrastructure. These all give the impression of strong economic growth, but they are really evidence of waste.
Remember back when we were talking about the initial stimulus bill in the US about "shovel ready" projects. That was about finding projects that need money right now to develop useful infrastructure. The benefit in such projects is you spend the money in the short run on projects that address actual needs. So this has a the initial positive stimulus effect, but added long term benefit from the use of the improved infrastructure.
In China, they are basically just dumping money out the door on anything. They don't have all of these elaborate rules about environmental impact studies, and cost benefit analysis. Instead, they are building whole cities from the ground up just to spend the money. It's taking the real estate bubble that we had in the US and pumping it up with government spending. Does that seem like a recipe for disaster to anybody else?
The problem is that China has become so desperately dependent on this unsustainable growth that they'll be compelled to keep doubling down on what's an already failing policy. Build yet more empty buildings with yet more empty roads going to them. Push out more subsidies to consumers to get them to buy more TV's, etc. But eventually, they'll blow through their vast reserves and find themselves at the limit of what they can possibly do.
From a blog post by Robert Reich:
The way that China has been stimulating their economy is by investing enormously in infrastructure, extending what they've more or less been doing for years. The problem, of course is that they are making an implicit assumption that the US and Europe will be able to grow their capacity to buy Chinese goods and give this infrastructure something to do. This relationship is complete unsustainable though. The only reason it's lasted this long is because of the Chinese governments refusal to let the Yuan's value float against the Dollar.
So my fear is what happens when you've got a Chinese government that is finally forced to face this economic reality. What happens when they find that $600 billion in infrastructure has become nothing but unused factories, buildings, and roads? What happens when millions of people in China find that their promises of future economic prosperity are diminished because of the inability of the US consumer to keep borrowing more and more money? What happens when the Chinese government is confronted with unrest from massive unemployment and stagnating growth?
My suspicion is that they will turn to the formula that all government in fear for their lives turn to: militaristic nationalism. They'll pin the blame on the United States. They'll start ramping up rhetoric about Taiwan, etc. They'll desperately try to find a distraction from the people's problems that lies somewhere beyond their borders. Further add to this the very real potential of oil shortages and it seems like a formula for very dangerous times ahead.
I'll admit to being somewhat of a fatalist in my predictions at times. Perhaps I'm too much a product of a child hood filled with fears of imminent nuclear apocalypse. Still, I just don't see how the global economic system rebalances without China's little economic hack job falling apart.
China's capital spending is on the way to exceeding that of the U.S., but its consumer spending is barely a sixth as large. Chinese companies are plowing their rising profits back into more productive capacity—additional factories, more equipment, new technologies. China's massive $600 billion stimulus package has been directed at further enlarging China's productive capacity rather than consumption. So where will this productive capacity go if not to Chinese consumers? Net exports to other nations, especially the U.S. and Europe.
The way that China has been stimulating their economy is by investing enormously in infrastructure, extending what they've more or less been doing for years. The problem, of course is that they are making an implicit assumption that the US and Europe will be able to grow their capacity to buy Chinese goods and give this infrastructure something to do. This relationship is complete unsustainable though. The only reason it's lasted this long is because of the Chinese governments refusal to let the Yuan's value float against the Dollar.
So my fear is what happens when you've got a Chinese government that is finally forced to face this economic reality. What happens when they find that $600 billion in infrastructure has become nothing but unused factories, buildings, and roads? What happens when millions of people in China find that their promises of future economic prosperity are diminished because of the inability of the US consumer to keep borrowing more and more money? What happens when the Chinese government is confronted with unrest from massive unemployment and stagnating growth?
My suspicion is that they will turn to the formula that all government in fear for their lives turn to: militaristic nationalism. They'll pin the blame on the United States. They'll start ramping up rhetoric about Taiwan, etc. They'll desperately try to find a distraction from the people's problems that lies somewhere beyond their borders. Further add to this the very real potential of oil shortages and it seems like a formula for very dangerous times ahead.
I'll admit to being somewhat of a fatalist in my predictions at times. Perhaps I'm too much a product of a child hood filled with fears of imminent nuclear apocalypse. Still, I just don't see how the global economic system rebalances without China's little economic hack job falling apart.
Check this out:
Beijing is drawing up plans to prohibit or restrict exports of rare earth metals that are produced only in China and play a vital role in cutting edge technology, from hybrid cars and catalytic converters, to superconductors, and precision-guided weapons.
The effect of this will be to force most manufacturing that's dependent on those raw materials to be located in China. Of course we can't really complain all that much because we owe them scads of money. Not that our corporate owned legislators really give a damn anyhow, but if they did, I doubt they'd say much.
Beijing is drawing up plans to prohibit or restrict exports of rare earth metals that are produced only in China and play a vital role in cutting edge technology, from hybrid cars and catalytic converters, to superconductors, and precision-guided weapons.
The effect of this will be to force most manufacturing that's dependent on those raw materials to be located in China. Of course we can't really complain all that much because we owe them scads of money. Not that our corporate owned legislators really give a damn anyhow, but if they did, I doubt they'd say much.
Check this out:
45 percent?!? Combine that with this:
It seems the Guiyang city mayor had the same idea as the Shenzhen mayor – to move the old downtown to a piece of undeveloped land.
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So what's happening is that with China seeing a huge drop in demand for their goods is trying to keep the economy going by pumping tons of cash into the system. The money is ending up doing what it did here, getting dumped into the real estate market. This will, of course lead to what we saw here, a speculative bubble followed by tons of bad debt and a general economic melt down.
Of course the whole thing is made much much worse by the corruption and total lack of transparency of the Chinese government. I mean, think about what you just read. A city decides to relocate itself, building all new buildings in a haphazard uncoordinated manner. In the process it displaces people who lived where they are now building and they build places for those people to live. How is that possibly sustainable? It isn't.
It's like the US bubble economy in a fun house mirror...
China’s largest housing contractor will start the sale of as many as 12 billion shares on July 22, Beijing-based State Construction said in a statement to the Shanghai stock exchange. The IPO may be the biggest since Visa Inc.’s $19.65 billion sale.
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Property sales in China jumped 45 percent in the first five months from a year earlier, as a government stimulus program and record lending by banks spurred spending. Developers China Vanke Co., Guangzhou R&F Properties Co., and Shimao Property Holdings Ltd. said they resumed land acquisitions in May and June.
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Property sales in China jumped 45 percent in the first five months from a year earlier, as a government stimulus program and record lending by banks spurred spending. Developers China Vanke Co., Guangzhou R&F Properties Co., and Shimao Property Holdings Ltd. said they resumed land acquisitions in May and June.
45 percent?!? Combine that with this:
It seems the Guiyang city mayor had the same idea as the Shenzhen mayor – to move the old downtown to a piece of undeveloped land.
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What was most distressing was that the development has been totally uncoordinated – a project with 15 buildings here, in another field two miles away a project with one building, another mile in another direction three buildings, sprawled over what was easily over 30 square kms. of farmland well north of town. Every building we got close enough to see was either incomplete/under construction, or empty. Our tone gradually went from “Haha, another one!” to “Oh my God, another one.” We conservatively guesstimated that we saw US$10bn of NPLs in one afternoon. The only buildings that were occupied were six-storey towers built to accommodate the peasants who had been displaced by the construction.
So what's happening is that with China seeing a huge drop in demand for their goods is trying to keep the economy going by pumping tons of cash into the system. The money is ending up doing what it did here, getting dumped into the real estate market. This will, of course lead to what we saw here, a speculative bubble followed by tons of bad debt and a general economic melt down.
Of course the whole thing is made much much worse by the corruption and total lack of transparency of the Chinese government. I mean, think about what you just read. A city decides to relocate itself, building all new buildings in a haphazard uncoordinated manner. In the process it displaces people who lived where they are now building and they build places for those people to live. How is that possibly sustainable? It isn't.
It's like the US bubble economy in a fun house mirror...
I'm sitting here watching CNN awaiting the verdict from Iowa and they mention an upcoming story on "Communist China". I'm immediate suspect of anybody who refers to China as "Communist China". We don't refer to Capitalist England do we? The only reason to mention that it's "communist" is to immediately cast it in the light of being a scary enemy. Granted, this was Lou Dobbs so what do you expect?
The reality is that China's not really "communist". It's not a liberal Jeffersonian Democracy, don't get me wrong. It's definitely an authoritarian state, but what is going on in China today can hardly be described as communism. To make a point of calling it that just screams of cold war xenophobic paranoia.
The reality is that China's not really "communist". It's not a liberal Jeffersonian Democracy, don't get me wrong. It's definitely an authoritarian state, but what is going on in China today can hardly be described as communism. To make a point of calling it that just screams of cold war xenophobic paranoia.
Quoting from a CNN interview by Wolf Blizter to be aired shortly:
Q The criticism is that you took your eye off the ball by going into Iraq and, in effect, reducing the focus of attention on al Qaeda and bin Laden.
THE VICE PRESIDENT: It's just not true. I've heard that charge; it's simply not true, Wolf. The fact of the matter is we can do more than one thing at a time, and we have. And we've been very successful with going after al Qaeda. They're still out there, they're still a formidable force, but they're not nearly as formidable as they once were in terms of numbers and so forth. We have successfully defended the country for over five years against any further attacks.
So we can do two things at once, huh? So explain to me why:
- We has to redirect funds from Afghanistan to begin the planning for the Iraq war
- We are withdrawing forces from Afghanistan at a time when the Taliban is resurgent to increase our presence in Iraq
